May 9th, 2010
Fuck you, Barney Frank. Fuck you fuck you fuck you.
"But Frank said that he is optimistic about the vote count and that transgender protections will remain in the bill.
“There’s no chance of doing it without it,” he said of the transgender protections."
Oh yeah, we've never heard that one before. Yeah, no, don't worry, we totally have the attention span of coked out puppies! We completely and utterly believe you, oh bastion of GLB
T tolerance and knowledge that is the almighty cis gay man.
"He said concessions were made in the drafting of the language to address moderates’ concerns. For instance, Frank said, transgender people with “one set of genitals” would not be able to go to a bathroom for people with another set of genitals.
And, Frank said, they also would have to have a “consistent gender presentation” in order to be able to sue for discrimination.
“They can’t sit there with a full beard and a dress,” Frank said."
Did I mention fuck you? Because fuck you and your transphobic cissexist bullshit trying to parade yourself around as a trans ~ally~ because you made some half assed effort at getting bullshit trans "protections" in a bill that's really all about drumming up the gay vote for you.
Totally looking forward to getting thrown under the bus again. Does the happy fun time party never cease?
ETA: It didn't even occur to me when I first read this that according to him the law likely would not protect me because I don't have a ~consistent gender presentation~ since I am physically unable to bind on a regular basis due to back problems. Fucking yay, ableism too! Does your well of fail ever run dry, Mr. Frank?
Ugh. To hell with him. Fuck him. I don't think I've been this angry in a long time. Wow.
"Consistent gender presentation"? Really?
I totally love when they split gender into two categories. It's just so realistic. :|
Seriously, it would have been more honest if he'd just come out and said "AND FUCK NON BINARY PEOPLE YA'LL ARE FREAKS!"
Did he mean consistent as in "every day I dress/present male" or "everything is in line"? 'Cause while I totally get the first one, I have trouble with the second one.
Specifically worrying about transwomen that have facial hair 'cause that shyte is hard to control (coming from a transman here) and some people have clear skin and will have stubble no matter what.
I'm laughing a little at how they never give examples of transwomen. X3 "Man in a dress!"
"I'm a trasman"
"Wut? Ohai, stand with das lesbanims."
" =/ "
I mean "never give examples of transmen" D'oh! >.
Well, even the first one is problematic because, for instance - my old binder wore out a few weeks ago. I tossed it because it was too much hassle having the velcro pop out in the middle of the day, dragged out an old bra while I waited for the new binder to ship, and started using the women's bathroom to avoid the hassle (as I have fairly large breasts that are hard not to notice when I'm not binding). Basically, I stopped presenting as male while the binder situation was being resolved.
Does that mean I'm no longer trans, because my presentation was inconsistent? Hell no. But I'll just bet that would be used against me if this language sticks.
....except for the fact that I'm in Canada and have this terrible inability to remember which political news affects me. BUT IN PRINCIPLE, YOU KNOW, if I was a States resident.
Oooh... I really did forget about that one. Binder issues, yuck. And binders, those things are expensive.
Now I'm all torn about it (if you get what I'm saying).
But you wouldn't want people to start using the female pronouns on you when you had to do that, right? I know I wouldn't. And if I stayed here in Louisiana during the summer, a binder plus my usual outfit of sweater-vests might just kill me dead.
Well, no. But I really doubt they're considering that level of subtlety - it sounds like it boils down to yet more "you aren't trans unless you pass, and by the way, we get to tell you what passing is". Blah.
I didn't think it was like that! I thought it was... well, I thought it was something else that would be a very unpopular opinion here if I voiced it.
Even now that I've got the voice thing down which was the final barrier, I hope I never forget what it was like not to pass. So as not to become a total dick.
No, the first one too. Saying only "full time" (I hate that phrase) people deserve protection is fucked the hell up.
It's funny how these ridiculous standards of who gets to go into the bathroom aren't applied to cis people the way they are for trans people. Even a friend of mine that ID'd as a dyke and wore men's clothes was never actually even threatened to be kicked out of the women's bathroom, she just had to deal with "AUGH I'M IN THE WRONG BATHROOM--oh wait you're a girl sorry!"
Yeah, my lesbian friends (two of them) get looks when they go into the women's rooms. And they don't even bind or anything. It's so irritating, I bet.
I worry about transwomen and bathrooms. Not only because I'm sexist and chivalrous and "protective" (because I am- I'm a sexist, chivalrous, overly-protective bastard), but because apparently women really scrutinize each-other in restorooms. I have no problem strolling into any men's room anywhere (and I do/did not pass being 4"11). They won't look at me!
*Anecdotal* I took this transwoman out to the movies and she had to use the restroom? She was in there five minutes before I started freaking the fuck out and wondering if I shouldn't go in and try to see if she was being beaten up. XD I had forgot that (some) women take forever in there X3
Not only because I'm sexist and chivalrous and "protective" (because I am- I'm a sexist, chivalrous, overly-protective bastard)
Sexism is unacceptable
in this community
. It's not cute to be like "I'm sexist." No. Not cute. Or acceptable. It is not okay to be sexist and it is not
okay to be sexist (and paternalistic) here. So stop. apparently women really scrutinize each-other in restorooms
Apparently, that's a bunch of over-generalizing crap.I started freaking the fuck out and wondering if I shouldn't go in and try to see if she was being beaten up. XD
Also not on: Light-hearted anecdotes about how possibly your friend was assaulted, oh, no, just kidding, I'm only trading in sexist stereotypes instead!
This whole comment is just a problem. Did you forgot where you were or something?
While I'm at it: Did he mean consistent as in "every day I dress/present male" or "everything is in line"? 'Cause while I totally get the first one
put it: Saying only "full time" (I hate that phrase) people deserve protection is fucked the hell up.
I don't know if that registered with you, but it's true. There is nothing gettable about "the first one."Edited at 2010-05-10 01:57 am (UTC)
What the *actual* fuck.
The "consistent gender presentation" thing is particularly fucked-up. I mean a) way to eliminate genderqueer or otherwise non-binary people, and b) ...how do you even fucking classify that? Ciswomen can sometimes have noticeable facial hair, and dudes wear dress-like garments in a lot of cultures too, just to take the asinine examples he gave :/
Just another ignorant democrat.
:( I didn't like the underside of the bus LAST time--anyone think to bring something to entertain ourselves with? I'm sure we'll get dragged along for a while down here...
And I totally have the inconsistent binding due to back problems issue myself. :(
God, why don't they just leave us the hell alone. If they can't do any good, why bother with doing all this bad?
Seconded. Toothless helps dull the rage a little bit.
I want Toothless to just explode everyone that thought these stipulations on this bill were a good idea. Cute and cathartic!
THAT MOVIE IS SO CUTE OMG. And the people fucking up this law need Toothless to straighten them out.
JUST LIKE THIS. I feel better already. :D
Also, does "consistent gender presentation" mean that this is basically only going to protect people who pass?
I LOVE it when lawmakers try to make bullshit "protections" laws when they have no clue what they're talking about and then call it being against discrimination! AWESOME! /sarcasmliekWHOA
Shit like this is why I am a "democrat," not a democrat.
So...basically, we're going to say we're protecting trans people...but really, we're going to remove all the protections they'd potentially need.
Which sucks, because if they DO pass it, we'll probably never get those rights back. Because we got nominal protections.
I don't want a "Consistent gender presentation" - whatever the hell that means - because I'm not a woman and I'm not a man. Screw that and screw telling us we're at fault somehow for not "passing" enough.
You put what I feel into words. Thank you.
hey do you have the source for these quotes? i believe you, of course! but i'd like to post it around/send it to people and feel stupid doing so without the citations or whatever, if that makes sense. :)
At this point it could be better to just to scrap the whole thing, do we really want the Federal government to create two unequal classes of trans folk with different sets of rights. Fuck this shit, I'm might lobby against this bill, these assholes can DIAF.
What exactly does 'consistent gender presentation' entail, exactly? I foresee a lot of lawsuits ending with "You have no right to sue for discrimination because you didn't shave your legs that day! Real women shave their legs!" or "You have no right to sue for discrimination because that one time when you were on your period you went into the women's room to get a tampon! Real men don't go into the women's room when they're (not) on their periods!" and other such privileged crap. All they've done is render it damn near impossible to win a discrimination case with the wrong sort of judge because, with a strict enough definition of 'gender presentation' no one has a consistent 'gender presentation.' And God forbid someone not ID as a man or a woman. I guess those people
are unicorns are immune from discrimination, because you're going to have one Hell of a time proving that you've been consistently presenting as neither a man nor a woman. Argh! I can cuss in like five languages, and I still can't think of any words strong enough to describe my feelings on this bullshit.
Does anyone know of any websites that track how trans*-friendly the main (so-called) "GLTB" activist groups/figures actually are? Google didn't yield much, but maybe I'm not searching the right things.
I hate him for this, and wish to kick him in the shin.
Consistent gender presentation? I don't even consider my gender presentation consistent! I'm juts a gal who mostly sees herself as a gal, but when dig out my butch gear, I personally feel that is a different form of gender expression. Last time I wore a jersey and board shirts I was getting weird vibes all day....does this mean I should stick to more feminine acoutrements? If I do a show(I perform as a drag king) and don't feel like immediately changing into a pretty pink party dress after i perfomr and visit a couple bars with friends afterwards.....am I then unprotected if someone treats me offensively, or even dangerously? Or if someone thinks my 5'10" height and stocky build are not girly enough for their tastes and they seriously mess with me, or even discriminate against me at work....am I then not protected because I perform as a drag king and often spend full days in drag? Barney Frank....I have seen many douchebags in my time, and you are definitely a hat that is only suitable for someone's ass.